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THE MAJORITY of people in Swindon are against plans to build a canal through the centre of town.
This is the result of a poll by the Adver. We asked 1,000 people in the town centre if they were in favour of the £52m project.
Of those polled only 36.9 per cent (369 people) thought it was a good idea and 63.1 per cent (631 people) were against the proposal.
Roy Cartwright, chairman of the Swindon branch of the Wilts and Berks Canal Trust, refused to be bowed by the negative reaction.
"It still means that a third of people support it," he said.
"A lot of people's response is probably because there has been a lot of negativity in the newspapers about the canal.
"Then when you ask people a yes or no question like this they immediately think of all the negative aspects - it'll cause traffic problems, it'll cost me lots of money.
"I think we need to get across to people that the canal will not cost them anything and that the traffic problems in the centre have to be solved with or without the canal.
"Every time we respond we get people coming back with the same old chestnuts about how it will attract drunks and fill up with shopping trolleys. If you go to Reading or Birmingham do you just find drunks and shopping trolleys?
"I think people need to look at how the canal can be part of the solution to problems facing Swindon town centre - not a cause."
Coun Phil Young (Con, Covingham & Nythe), cabinet member for economic development, regeneration and development, said: "This is a project that will have to find its own funding.
"We will be looking for funding from Government and from grants set aside specifically for waterways.
"This is not a case of prioritising the canal over other issues, such as schools, transport, housing etc."
Coun Fay Howard (Parks), deputy leader of the Labour group, said: "I think the results show that people in Swindon have the same worries as we do about the canal.
"People are more concerned about solutions to the issues in front of them - like rubbish collections and traffic problems.
"People in my ward have expressed concerns about the cost - even the £50,000 for the feasibility survey could have gone on something of immediate importance - like road repairs.
"People have a right to question this project."
To find out more about the canal project visit the Wilts and Berks Canal Trust exhibition in Regent Circus.
9:00am Thursday 27th March 2008
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CommentPosted by: Al Smith, Swindon, UK on 9:05am Thu 27 Mar 08
Of course people are concerned, where are all the cars that use Faringdon Rd every day going to go?
Swindon's roads are blocked-up enough as it is without going around closing more roads.
Of course people are concerned, where are all the cars that use Faringdon Rd every day going to go?
Swindon's roads are blocked-up enough as it is without going around closing more roads.
Posted by: The builder, Old Town on 9:08am Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote]"People in my ward have expressed concerns about the cost - even the £50,000 for the feasibility survey could have gone on something of immediate importance - like road repairs.
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Sorry - is this the same Councillor Fay Howard who put a leaflet out saying the feasibility study cost £5 million ? She obviously has such a great grasp of finances - not !
So, they asked 1,000 people in the town centre - not exactly a representative sample out of a town of over 180,000.
As long as this canal doesn't cost us anything I will fully support it.
Anything to improve the way the town centre looks has to be a good thing - god knows we've all waited long enough. Shame they can't put a tram system in as well.
"People in my ward have expressed concerns about the cost - even the £50,000 for the feasibility survey could have gone on something of immediate importance - like road repairs.
Sorry - is this the same Councillor Fay Howard who put a leaflet out saying the feasibility study cost £5 million ? She obviously has such a great grasp of finances - not !
So, they asked 1,000 people in the town centre - not exactly a representative sample out of a town of over 180,000.
As long as this canal doesn't cost us anything I will fully support it.
Anything to improve the way the town centre looks has to be a good thing - god knows we've all waited long enough. Shame they can't put a tram system in as well.
Posted by: emmylou83, Stratton on 9:10am Thu 27 Mar 08
You don't find drunks and shopping trolleys in Reading because the canal has huge great big (yet tasteful) barrier type things around it - well the part of it I've seen does anyway.
You don't find drunks and shopping trolleys in Reading because the canal has huge great big (yet tasteful) barrier type things around it - well the part of it I've seen does anyway.
Posted by: PaulD on 9:19am Thu 27 Mar 08
I think a canal could be an enormous benefit. I just don't have any confidence in SBC's ability to deliver it
I think a canal could be an enormous benefit. I just don't have any confidence in SBC's ability to deliver it
Posted by: daddyjimo2, Swindon on 9:19am Thu 27 Mar 08
won't cost us anything ??
Mr Builder I think it is you that doesn't grasp the finances.
We have all paid for this one way or another.
I am all for improving Swindon but I do not think a water feature is the answer.
Where is the benifit for the normal person ?
I would rather take my children out of the already conjested town centre and go to coate water to be by the water. Why doesn't the canal trust improve Coate Water ?
Although I am in favour of the university I am not happy with the location.
won't cost us anything ??
Mr Builder I think it is you that doesn't grasp the finances.
We have all paid for this one way or another.
I am all for improving Swindon but I do not think a water feature is the answer.
Where is the benifit for the normal person ?
I would rather take my children out of the already conjested town centre and go to coate water to be by the water. Why doesn't the canal trust improve Coate Water ?
Although I am in favour of the university I am not happy with the location.
Posted by: Big Mac on 9:23am Thu 27 Mar 08
Fair point emmylou83. I'd also suggest that both Reading and Birmingham don't have quite such a high percentage of underclass roaming their town centres as Swindon does, ie, they're fairly upmarket in comparison.
Take a look at the bars and restaurants that surround their canals and then compare them to the Glasshouse, Walkabout and the kebab vans that'll line the banks of Swindon's canal. Hmm.
[quote]"It still means that a third of people support it," he said.[/quote]
Er, yeah. That's really not a great defence!
Still, now we know that the majority of people are against the plans it's a dead cert that it'll go ahead.
Although, as the Builder says, surely they can't possibly make the town centre any worse - no matter what they do.
Fair point emmylou83. I'd also suggest that both Reading and Birmingham don't have quite such a high percentage of underclass roaming their town centres as Swindon does, ie, they're fairly upmarket in comparison.
Take a look at the bars and restaurants that surround their canals and then compare them to the Glasshouse, Walkabout and the kebab vans that'll line the banks of Swindon's canal. Hmm.
"It still means that a third of people support it," he said.
Er, yeah. That's really not a great defence!
Still, now we know that the majority of people are against the plans it's a dead cert that it'll go ahead.
Although, as the Builder says, surely they can't possibly make the town centre any worse - no matter what they do.
Posted by: Pav, Swindon on 9:25am Thu 27 Mar 08
I wonder how many of the people who are against the canal also think it's being paid for by the council - or that the money "could be better spent on schools"?
Let's be honest, most people don't have a clue what they are talking about.
I wonder how many of the people who are against the canal also think it's being paid for by the council - or that the money "could be better spent on schools"?
Let's be honest, most people don't have a clue what they are talking about.
Posted by: emmylou83, Stratton on 9:27am Thu 27 Mar 08
Big Mac for once I actually agree with you, you walk by the canal just by the oracle and except for the mcd's and the pizza hut (which in itself looks very upmarket) it's surrounded by really nice pubs etc and I have sat and enjoyed it many a time after a hard days shopping.
Big Mac for once I actually agree with you, you walk by the canal just by the oracle and except for the mcd's and the pizza hut (which in itself looks very upmarket) it's surrounded by really nice pubs etc and I have sat and enjoyed it many a time after a hard days shopping.
Posted by: daddyjimo2, Swindon on 9:34am Thu 27 Mar 08
Dear Pav,
Why don't you expliain to 'most people who don't have a clue' how the canal trust have got their £52m to spend on the canal.
You don't have to be inteligent to have an opinion......in an opinion poll !!
Dear Pav,
Why don't you expliain to 'most people who don't have a clue' how the canal trust have got their £52m to spend on the canal.
You don't have to be inteligent to have an opinion......in an opinion poll !!
Posted by: Casual Observer, Swindon on 9:38am Thu 27 Mar 08
I'm very disappointed by this survey and hope it gets ignored. Most people do not have sufficient depth of understanding or background knowledge of this project to decide, when randomly stopped by a researcher in the town center, whether it's a good thing or not.
I'm very disappointed by this survey and hope it gets ignored. Most people do not have sufficient depth of understanding or background knowledge of this project to decide, when randomly stopped by a researcher in the town center, whether it's a good thing or not.
Posted by: Big Mac on 9:41am Thu 27 Mar 08
daddyjimo2, some people seem to think that it's Council Tax money that'll be used to fund the canal.
In reality, it's money blackmailed (legally, of course) out of developers under the now ubiquitous Section 106, which allows Councils to extort "contributions from developers towards the costs of providing community and social infrastructure, the need for which has arisen as a result of a new development taking place."
Of course, in reality this means that the new owners of the developer's properties pay the vast majority of the Section 106 'contributions', while the Council rake in additional money for nothing on top of the increased Council Tax they'll receive from the new developments (how ironic that some 106 premiums may push new properties into higher Council Tax bands...)
So, this isn't money that can be diverted to schools, hospitals, roads etc. that are out of the imemdiate area where the new developments are taking place. Hence this windfall has to be spent in the town centre, or thereabouts, ie, it couldn't be used to improve Coate Water unless a new development with the appropriate Section 106 was agreed near Coate Water.
daddyjimo2, some people seem to think that it's Council Tax money that'll be used to fund the canal.
In reality, it's money blackmailed (legally, of course) out of developers under the now ubiquitous Section 106, which allows Councils to extort "contributions from developers towards the costs of providing community and social infrastructure, the need for which has arisen as a result of a new development taking place."
Of course, in reality this means that the new owners of the developer's properties pay the vast majority of the Section 106 'contributions', while the Council rake in additional money for nothing on top of the increased Council Tax they'll receive from the new developments (how ironic that some 106 premiums may push new properties into higher Council Tax bands...)
So, this isn't money that can be diverted to schools, hospitals, roads etc. that are out of the imemdiate area where the new developments are taking place. Hence this windfall has to be spent in the town centre, or thereabouts, ie, it couldn't be used to improve Coate Water unless a new development with the appropriate Section 106 was agreed near Coate Water.
Posted by: daddyjimo2, Swindon on 9:44am Thu 27 Mar 08
Casual Observer you are insulting the people who were asked.
Some of them might actually understand the 'depths' better than yourself !!
You don't have to be inteligent to have an opinion......in an opinion poll !!
Casual Observer you are insulting the people who were asked.
Some of them might actually understand the 'depths' better than yourself !!
You don't have to be inteligent to have an opinion......in an opinion poll !!
Posted by: Big Mac on 9:44am Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Casual Observer wrote:[/bold]
I'm very disappointed by this survey and hope it gets ignored. Most people do not have sufficient depth of understanding or background knowledge of this project to decide, when randomly stopped by a researcher in the town center, whether it's a good thing or not.[/quote]
I've felt exactly the same about the last three general election results.
Unfortunately, democracy regularly suffers from the problem that those who are asked to vote have no idea what they're voting for, or why they've made the decision they do.
It's one reason why people suggest this government have a vested interest in continuing to lower education standards and allow uncontrolled immigration.
Casual Observer wrote:
I'm very disappointed by this survey and hope it gets ignored. Most people do not have sufficient depth of understanding or background knowledge of this project to decide, when randomly stopped by a researcher in the town center, whether it's a good thing or not.
I've felt exactly the same about the last three general election results.
Unfortunately, democracy regularly suffers from the problem that those who are asked to vote have no idea what they're voting for, or why they've made the decision they do.
It's one reason why people suggest this government have a vested interest in continuing to lower education standards and allow uncontrolled immigration.
Posted by: Robert Feal-Martinez, Swindon on 9:44am Thu 27 Mar 08
I may have imagined this, the brains not what it use to be, but when the council approved this project didn't a councillor make a comment about the fact that it would only add £52 million to the cost of regeneration. So whose paying for the regeneration project, directly or indirectly PAV.
I may have imagined this, the brains not what it use to be, but when the council approved this project didn't a councillor make a comment about the fact that it would only add £52 million to the cost of regeneration. So whose paying for the regeneration project, directly or indirectly PAV.
Posted by: daddyjimo2, Swindon on 9:49am Thu 27 Mar 08
Thanks Big Mac.
I take on board that some people might not understand the bigger picture but I'm just not convinced the town needs it.
Thanks Big Mac.
I take on board that some people might not understand the bigger picture but I'm just not convinced the town needs it.
Posted by: malkym on 9:53am Thu 27 Mar 08
I met my love by Maccy D's wall
Dreamed a dream by the new canal
I Kissed my girl by the shopping trolley pile
Dirty new canal in a dirty old town!
(with apologies to the Pogues)
I met my love by Maccy D's wall
Dreamed a dream by the new canal
I Kissed my girl by the shopping trolley pile
Dirty new canal in a dirty old town!
(with apologies to the Pogues)
Posted by: Casual Observer, Swindon on 10:18am Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]daddyjimo2[/bold] wrote:
Casual Observer you are insulting the people who were asked.
Some of them might actually understand the 'depths' better than yourself !!
You don't have to be inteligent to have an opinion......in an opinion poll !![/quote] No I'm not insulting anyone, I'm merely suggesting that many people are not sufficiently informed to make a fair judgment.
I'm also perfectly aware that you don't need to be intelligent to have an opinion, or to spell correctly.
daddyjimo2 wrote:
Casual Observer you are insulting the people who were asked.
Some of them might actually understand the 'depths' better than yourself !!
You don't have to be inteligent to have an opinion......in an opinion poll !!
No I'm not insulting anyone, I'm merely suggesting that many people are not sufficiently informed to make a fair judgment.
I'm also perfectly aware that you don't need to be intelligent to have an opinion, or to spell correctly.
Posted by: Voice of Reason, The Parks on 10:34am Thu 27 Mar 08
I agree with emmylou and Big Mac I think part of the problem is some of the bars etc at the bottom of Town dont make it as attractive as it could be shall we say. I think we need to update these as well and make the place a nicer part of Town to be in not a war zone.
I agree with emmylou and Big Mac I think part of the problem is some of the bars etc at the bottom of Town dont make it as attractive as it could be shall we say. I think we need to update these as well and make the place a nicer part of Town to be in not a war zone.
Posted by: Voice of Reason, The Parks on 10:37am Thu 27 Mar 08
I agree with emmylou and Big Mac I think part of the problem is some of the bars etc at the bottom of Town dont make it as attractive as it could be shall we say. I think we need to update these as well and make the place a nicer part of Town to be in not a war zone.
I agree with emmylou and Big Mac I think part of the problem is some of the bars etc at the bottom of Town dont make it as attractive as it could be shall we say. I think we need to update these as well and make the place a nicer part of Town to be in not a war zone.
Posted by: emmylou83, Stratton on 10:39am Thu 27 Mar 08
We need a Krispy Kreme's too (I have cionverted many a swindoner to krispy kreme while I lived in london) they are just oh so nice and yummy. But yeah better bars would be good as much as I like Lava Lounge, Reflex, Yates, a change can do us good, bring Swindon a slug and lettuce!!!!
We need a Krispy Kreme's too (I have cionverted many a swindoner to krispy kreme while I lived in london) they are just oh so nice and yummy. But yeah better bars would be good as much as I like Lava Lounge, Reflex, Yates, a change can do us good, bring Swindon a slug and lettuce!!!!
Posted by: emmylou83, Stratton on 10:42am Thu 27 Mar 08
converted not cionverted (obviously got excitable fingers today)
converted not cionverted (obviously got excitable fingers today)
Posted by: Polymath, Swindon on 10:43am Thu 27 Mar 08
Of course, the results are based on a previous poll on this website. Anyone in the world could vote, and if they cleared their browser cookies they could vote more than once. Not exactly representative or particularly good data. Not even data worthy of being published either.
Of course, the results are based on a previous poll on this website. Anyone in the world could vote, and if they cleared their browser cookies they could vote more than once. Not exactly representative or particularly good data. Not even data worthy of being published either.
Posted by: Robert Feal-Martinez, Swindon on 10:44am Thu 27 Mar 08
emmylou: Shouldn't hold your breath S&L's parents, Laurel are going broke.
emmylou: Shouldn't hold your breath S&L's parents, Laurel are going broke.
Posted by: dc, swindon on 10:45am Thu 27 Mar 08
Parisians were against the Eiffel Tower when it was built. Now im not saying this canal compares to the tower but if the terms of what it would mean to the landscape of Swindon it does.
Why cant Swindon have something to be proud and famous for, besides roundabouts and chavs?
Parisians were against the Eiffel Tower when it was built. Now im not saying this canal compares to the tower but if the terms of what it would mean to the landscape of Swindon it does.
Why cant Swindon have something to be proud and famous for, besides roundabouts and chavs?
Posted by: emmylou83, Stratton on 10:47am Thu 27 Mar 08
RF-M - Grrr well some other nice pub then :)
dc - ummmm have you forgotten Brunel???
RF-M - Grrr well some other nice pub then :)
dc - ummmm have you forgotten Brunel???
Posted by: Ade, WB on 10:52am Thu 27 Mar 08
So as usual everyone who said no to this in the poll is an idiot and has no idea what the canal is, how its funded, etc...give me a break!! Its an ill-thought out plan by an over ambitious council. Faringdon road is a main arterial route into the town center. How will people get to the train station, work, shops, etc if this route is removed??
Reading's canal is very well protected where it runs through the Oracle complex, plus there are no large supermarkets using shopping trolleys nearby. The canal is fast flowing so any rubbish thrown in by late night revellers is moved on pretty quickly.
Waste of money and completely ignoring the publics interests..remember the fiasco over the Sports centers in Wootton Bassett, Cricklade, etc?? All council initiatives until the public made their opinions felt.
So as usual everyone who said no to this in the poll is an idiot and has no idea what the canal is, how its funded, etc...give me a break!! Its an ill-thought out plan by an over ambitious council. Faringdon road is a main arterial route into the town center. How will people get to the train station, work, shops, etc if this route is removed??
Reading's canal is very well protected where it runs through the Oracle complex, plus there are no large supermarkets using shopping trolleys nearby. The canal is fast flowing so any rubbish thrown in by late night revellers is moved on pretty quickly.
Waste of money and completely ignoring the publics interests..remember the fiasco over the Sports centers in Wootton Bassett, Cricklade, etc?? All council initiatives until the public made their opinions felt.
Posted by: dc, swindon on 10:53am Thu 27 Mar 08
EL83 havent forgotton Brunel, please dont tell me you meant the block of flats rudely named after him?
EL83 havent forgotton Brunel, please dont tell me you meant the block of flats rudely named after him?
Posted by: dc, swindon on 10:54am Thu 27 Mar 08
sorry my mistake MJT obviously not named after brunel.
sorry my mistake MJT obviously not named after brunel.
Posted by: Polymath, Swindon on 10:58am Thu 27 Mar 08
Ade from WB (Wootton Bassett?) ... Wouldn't the sports centre in Wootton Bassett come under North Wiltshire Council's responsibility? Don't blame Swindon Borough Council for that, thanks.
Ade from WB (Wootton Bassett?) ... Wouldn't the sports centre in Wootton Bassett come under North Wiltshire Council's responsibility? Don't blame Swindon Borough Council for that, thanks.
Posted by: emmylou83, Stratton on 11:00am Thu 27 Mar 08
dc - I was just pointing out that Swindon has Brunel to proud of and famous for.
dc - I was just pointing out that Swindon has Brunel to proud of and famous for.
Posted by: Voice of Reason, The Parks on 11:04am Thu 27 Mar 08
Dont forget Laurel also owns Yates's so that might be a thing of the past soon.
Dont forget Laurel also owns Yates's so that might be a thing of the past soon.
Posted by: dc, swindon on 11:04am Thu 27 Mar 08
el83 - you're right it does but thats not a very tangible thing, and he was born in Portsmouth.
I would like Swindon to have something to literally put it on the map
el83 - you're right it does but thats not a very tangible thing, and he was born in Portsmouth.
I would like Swindon to have something to literally put it on the map
Posted by: Polymath, Swindon on 11:05am Thu 27 Mar 08
An urban area of approx. 25 square miles and a population of 180,000 is usually enough to put Swindon on the map! ;)
An urban area of approx. 25 square miles and a population of 180,000 is usually enough to put Swindon on the map! ;)
Posted by: Big Mac on 11:07am Thu 27 Mar 08
Talking of being 'proud' of Swindon, the town has a near-legendary mural artist of worldwide fame still living here.
I'm referring to Mr Ken White.
In days past he created many incredible (and I mean that, they're [italic]amazing[/italic]) in Swindon. Most have now disappeared thanks to the ravages of time... and developers.
As part of the so-called regeneration of Swindon town centre the Council really should commission him to create more works - possibly of famous Swindoners, as he has done in the past - to really liven the town centre up a bit and remind us that some good things have come from this town.
His murals around the canal area, if it ever happens, would shield our eyes from the pound shops, cheap chain pubs and poor quality fast food outlets that provide the current vista.
SBC should spend some of our money wisely for a change. Ken's work would really be something to be proud of in our town centre, not to mention being unique to the town - something we desperately need if we have an remotely realistic pretensions of becoming a tourist destination.
Talking of being 'proud' of Swindon, the town has a near-legendary mural artist of worldwide fame still living here.
I'm referring to Mr Ken White.
In days past he created many incredible (and I mean that, they're
amazing) in Swindon. Most have now disappeared thanks to the ravages of time... and developers.
As part of the so-called regeneration of Swindon town centre the Council really should commission him to create more works - possibly of famous Swindoners, as he has done in the past - to really liven the town centre up a bit and remind us that some good things have come from this town.
His murals around the canal area, if it ever happens, would shield our eyes from the pound shops, cheap chain pubs and poor quality fast food outlets that provide the current vista.
SBC should spend some of our money wisely for a change. Ken's work would really be something to be proud of in our town centre, not to mention being unique to the town - something we desperately need if we have an remotely realistic pretensions of becoming a tourist destination.
Posted by: emmylou83, Stratton on 11:07am Thu 27 Mar 08
It's still something to be proud of regardless of where he was born he chose Swindon because I'm assuming he saw potential. Potential that is still there if we weren't so heavily over run by chavs and set in our ways - myself included in some respects.
It's still something to be proud of regardless of where he was born he chose Swindon because I'm assuming he saw potential. Potential that is still there if we weren't so heavily over run by chavs and set in our ways - myself included in some respects.
Posted by: Polymath, Swindon on 11:10am Thu 27 Mar 08
If we like Brunel so much, then why not the late Soichiro Honda?
If we like Brunel so much, then why not the late Soichiro Honda?
Posted by: Voice of Reason, The Parks on 11:14am Thu 27 Mar 08
To many people in Swindon are scared of change, they moan and whine about it but never actually do anything about it. Most of you know I come from Manchester and I am not trying to compare Swindon to Manchester but up there people love change and embrace it. The shopping in Swindon is poor as we all know but shopping centres can be succesfull for example the Trafford Centre has just opened a new £90 million pound extension ok thats a lot of cash, but last yera alone the Trafford Centre had 30 million visitors who all probabaly bought something. We need something like that in Swindon like an IKEA for gods sake not poundland and 99p stores.
To many people in Swindon are scared of change, they moan and whine about it but never actually do anything about it. Most of you know I come from Manchester and I am not trying to compare Swindon to Manchester but up there people love change and embrace it. The shopping in Swindon is poor as we all know but shopping centres can be succesfull for example the Trafford Centre has just opened a new £90 million pound extension ok thats a lot of cash, but last yera alone the Trafford Centre had 30 million visitors who all probabaly bought something. We need something like that in Swindon like an IKEA for gods sake not poundland and 99p stores.
Posted by: emmylou83, Stratton on 11:25am Thu 27 Mar 08
VoR we wouldnt get an IKEA as there is one 45mins down the road in Bristol but I do agree, having been to the trafford centre (in fact most shopping centres in the UK) Swindon is pretty poor, however when I went to York the other week - beautiful city lovely people, with 99p stores and poundland probably closer together than ours are. They appear everywhere, they are just more noticable because our town centre is small in comparision (sp) to some places.
VoR we wouldnt get an IKEA as there is one 45mins down the road in Bristol but I do agree, having been to the trafford centre (in fact most shopping centres in the UK) Swindon is pretty poor, however when I went to York the other week - beautiful city lovely people, with 99p stores and poundland probably closer together than ours are. They appear everywhere, they are just more noticable because our town centre is small in comparision (sp) to some places.
Posted by: doug@homefarm, SN1 on 11:34am Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Big Mac[/bold] wrote:
Talking of being 'proud' of Swindon, the town has a near-legendary mural artist of worldwide fame still living here. I'm referring to Mr Ken White. In days past he created many incredible (and I mean that, they're [italic]amazing[/italic]) in Swindon. Most have now disappeared thanks to the ravages of time... and developers. As part of the so-called regeneration of Swindon town centre the Council really should commission him to create more works - possibly of famous Swindoners, as he has done in the past - to really liven the town centre up a bit and remind us that some good things have come from this town. His murals around the canal area, if it ever happens, would shield our eyes from the pound shops, cheap chain pubs and poor quality fast food outlets that provide the current vista. SBC should spend some of our money wisely for a change. Ken's work would really be something to be proud of in our town centre, not to mention being unique to the town - something we desperately need if we have an remotely realistic pretensions of becoming a tourist destination.[/quote] This is the very best thing you've written Big Mac. I could not agree more. Its a shame a lot of Kens work has disappeared especially the work on the Cambria Bridge park area on the old canal.
Big Mac wrote:
Talking of being 'proud' of Swindon, the town has a near-legendary mural artist of worldwide fame still living here. I'm referring to Mr Ken White. In days past he created many incredible (and I mean that, they're amazing) in Swindon. Most have now disappeared thanks to the ravages of time... and developers. As part of the so-called regeneration of Swindon town centre the Council really should commission him to create more works - possibly of famous Swindoners, as he has done in the past - to really liven the town centre up a bit and remind us that some good things have come from this town. His murals around the canal area, if it ever happens, would shield our eyes from the pound shops, cheap chain pubs and poor quality fast food outlets that provide the current vista. SBC should spend some of our money wisely for a change. Ken's work would really be something to be proud of in our town centre, not to mention being unique to the town - something we desperately need if we have an remotely realistic pretensions of becoming a tourist destination.
This is the very best thing you've written Big Mac. I could not agree more. Its a shame a lot of Kens work has disappeared especially the work on the Cambria Bridge park area on the old canal.
Posted by: dc, swindon on 11:37am Thu 27 Mar 08
el83 he chose it (by legend by dropping a sandwich) because of its location on the GW line. I dont think he picked Swindon village due to anything outside of railway reasoning.
I also think personally that he would be ashamed of what the town has become.
el83 he chose it (by legend by dropping a sandwich) because of its location on the GW line. I dont think he picked Swindon village due to anything outside of railway reasoning.
I also think personally that he would be ashamed of what the town has become.
Posted by: doug@homefarm, SN1 on 11:41am Thu 27 Mar 08
Having not taken too much notice of the canal reports I am a little unsure of what is being proposed. Can anyone tell me if the canal is to link to other waterways? If it is surley that would be great for boating holidays, not too far to get to the Marina and then away!. If it is to be merely a ditch filled with water, I agree with those that oppose it whats the point! remember the ill fated water feature in Canal Walk
Having not taken too much notice of the canal reports I am a little unsure of what is being proposed. Can anyone tell me if the canal is to link to other waterways? If it is surley that would be great for boating holidays, not too far to get to the Marina and then away!. If it is to be merely a ditch filled with water, I agree with those that oppose it whats the point! remember the ill fated water feature in Canal Walk
Posted by: emmylou83, Stratton on 11:44am Thu 27 Mar 08
He still chose Swindon regardless of the reasoning it is still some kind of heritage we have as a town (I realise I now sound like brunels no1 fan eeeek)
Are you ashamed of Swindon dc do you think a canal would make people less ashamed?? I'm not ashamed. it's home, it's where majority of my friends and family are regardless of how it is seen as now or how it will be seen in the future.
He still chose Swindon regardless of the reasoning it is still some kind of heritage we have as a town (I realise I now sound like brunels no1 fan eeeek)
Are you ashamed of Swindon dc do you think a canal would make people less ashamed?? I'm not ashamed. it's home, it's where majority of my friends and family are regardless of how it is seen as now or how it will be seen in the future.
Posted by: Ade, WB on 11:48am Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Polymath[/bold] wrote:
Ade from WB (Wootton Bassett?) ... Wouldn't the sports centre in Wootton Bassett come under North Wiltshire Council's responsibility? Don't blame Swindon Borough Council for that, thanks.[/quote] Obviously not read my post in full....Just pointing out that "council" initiatives (wherever they may be) can be overturned by public opinion and action.
Still no-one has commented on where the traffic which currently "flows" along Faringdon road will go should the canal be built. Will it just disappear?? I expect you will find that people will take the easy option and go to Chippenham or Marlborough if it becomes too difficult to get into Swindon town center. Who has won then?
Polymath wrote:
Ade from WB (Wootton Bassett?) ... Wouldn't the sports centre in Wootton Bassett come under North Wiltshire Council's responsibility? Don't blame Swindon Borough Council for that, thanks.
Obviously not read my post in full....Just pointing out that "council" initiatives (wherever they may be) can be overturned by public opinion and action.
Still no-one has commented on where the traffic which currently "flows" along Faringdon road will go should the canal be built. Will it just disappear?? I expect you will find that people will take the easy option and go to Chippenham or Marlborough if it becomes too difficult to get into Swindon town center. Who has won then?
Posted by: doug@homefarm, SN1 on 11:49am Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]malkym[/bold] wrote:
I met my love by Maccy D's wall Dreamed a dream by the new canal I Kissed my girl by the shopping trolley pile Dirty new canal in a dirty old town! (with apologies to the Pogues)[/quote] Your apologies should be too the writer the late Ewan McColl (who also wrote the first time that I saw your face) and Kirsty's Grandfather.
That isn't to say that Shane McGowan didn't do a very good cover which was complimented by Ewan himself
malkym wrote:
I met my love by Maccy D's wall Dreamed a dream by the new canal I Kissed my girl by the shopping trolley pile Dirty new canal in a dirty old town! (with apologies to the Pogues)
Your apologies should be too the writer the late Ewan McColl (who also wrote the first time that I saw your face) and Kirsty's Grandfather.
That isn't to say that Shane McGowan didn't do a very good cover which was complimented by Ewan himself
Posted by: The builder, Old Town on 11:50am Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Ade[/bold] wrote:
So as usual everyone who said no to this in the poll is an idiot and has no idea what the canal is, how its funded, etc...give me a break!! Its an ill-thought out plan by an over ambitious council. Faringdon road is a main arterial route into the town center. How will people get to the train station, work, shops, etc if this route is removed?? Reading's canal is very well protected where it runs through the Oracle complex, plus there are no large supermarkets using shopping trolleys nearby. The canal is fast flowing so any rubbish thrown in by late night revellers is moved on pretty quickly. Waste of money and completely ignoring the publics interests..remember the fiasco over the Sports centers in Wootton Bassett, Cricklade, etc?? All council initiatives until the public made their opinions felt.[/quote] I thought faringdon road was still going to be there albeit as a one way single carriageway ?
Also where is the nearest supermarket to the canal route ? Why would people dump shopping trolleys in there anyway ?
"The canal is fast flowing so any rubbish thrown in by late night revellers is moved on pretty quickly.
"
Canals are not by design fast flowing - they are designed to retain as much water as possible. Rubbish dumped in any canal still has to be removed. Again, why would people want to dump rubbish in a canal ?
Ade wrote:
So as usual everyone who said no to this in the poll is an idiot and has no idea what the canal is, how its funded, etc...give me a break!! Its an ill-thought out plan by an over ambitious council. Faringdon road is a main arterial route into the town center. How will people get to the train station, work, shops, etc if this route is removed?? Reading's canal is very well protected where it runs through the Oracle complex, plus there are no large supermarkets using shopping trolleys nearby. The canal is fast flowing so any rubbish thrown in by late night revellers is moved on pretty quickly. Waste of money and completely ignoring the publics interests..remember the fiasco over the Sports centers in Wootton Bassett, Cricklade, etc?? All council initiatives until the public made their opinions felt.
I thought faringdon road was still going to be there albeit as a one way single carriageway ?
Also where is the nearest supermarket to the canal route ? Why would people dump shopping trolleys in there anyway ?
"The canal is fast flowing so any rubbish thrown in by late night revellers is moved on pretty quickly.
"
Canals are not by design fast flowing - they are designed to retain as much water as possible. Rubbish dumped in any canal still has to be removed. Again, why would people want to dump rubbish in a canal ?
Posted by: dc, swindon on 11:51am Thu 27 Mar 08
el83 all i am saying is that IKB's decision to build the works here in Swindon was as much chance and geography as anything else so deriving pride from it seems a little odd (to me)
I think projects such as the canal (or others in future like it) which aim to make positive changes to the Swindon should be applauded. The one thing i would like from anti-canal campaigners are some other fresh ideas on the civic beautification and redevelopment of the town. The canal is not really a number 1 choice for me, but i do support it, i would like to see the brunel centre demolished completely and re-done for the 21st century. but in general i very much believe that drastic change is needed.
born and bred swindon btw
el83 all i am saying is that IKB's decision to build the works here in Swindon was as much chance and geography as anything else so deriving pride from it seems a little odd (to me)
I think projects such as the canal (or others in future like it) which aim to make positive changes to the Swindon should be applauded. The one thing i would like from anti-canal campaigners are some other fresh ideas on the civic beautification and redevelopment of the town. The canal is not really a number 1 choice for me, but i do support it, i would like to see the brunel centre demolished completely and re-done for the 21st century. but in general i very much believe that drastic change is needed.
born and bred swindon btw
Posted by: doug@homefarm, SN1 on 11:52am Thu 27 Mar 08
People please typos are one thing and easy to do, but we are British.
so:-
Centre and Licence (when a noun)
People please typos are one thing and easy to do, but we are British.
so:-
Centre and Licence (when a noun)
Posted by: emmylou83, Stratton on 11:56am Thu 27 Mar 08
dc - I've said it before what needs to happen is for the town centre to be floored and restarted but thats very unlikely to happen. I agree change is needed for Swindon and if its a canal then so be it I just have no faith in SBC and I think the whole thing will be a joke but I am prepared to eat my words if it works
dc - I've said it before what needs to happen is for the town centre to be floored and restarted but thats very unlikely to happen. I agree change is needed for Swindon and if its a canal then so be it I just have no faith in SBC and I think the whole thing will be a joke but I am prepared to eat my words if it works
Posted by: Just A Thought on 12:01pm Thu 27 Mar 08
Again I read these threads with interest on both sides of the discussion. On the one hand I like the idea of a canal well constructed and maintained (Must be maintained) flowing through the town. It would be good to clean the place up and encourage better pubs, clubs shops – and eventually people.
But
Will this be another half hearted, ill conceived eyesore that gets filled in after it’s realised that it’s mostly filled with dead animals and chav vomit (sorry that if your about to have lunch)?
I, like others here, am not totally convinced the people behind this have the vision to actually get it done.
One last point, if the council have this amount of money will they be showing us details of exactly how it was spent? Because I for one would like to see that every penny is accounted for and has not been waste on administrative nonsense – like meetings in Spain!
Sorry to be a cynic.
Again I read these threads with interest on both sides of the discussion. On the one hand I like the idea of a canal well constructed and maintained (Must be maintained) flowing through the town. It would be good to clean the place up and encourage better pubs, clubs shops – and eventually people.
But
Will this be another half hearted, ill conceived eyesore that gets filled in after it’s realised that it’s mostly filled with dead animals and chav vomit (sorry that if your about to have lunch)?
I, like others here, am not totally convinced the people behind this have the vision to actually get it done.
One last point, if the council have this amount of money will they be showing us details of exactly how it was spent? Because I for one would like to see that every penny is accounted for and has not been waste on administrative nonsense – like meetings in Spain!
Sorry to be a cynic.
Posted by: Ade, WB on 12:11pm Thu 27 Mar 08
The Builder - looking at the picture above I can t see where the road would be..wide enough for cycle path maybe?
Sainsburys is pretty closeby...
Have you been to Reading? Check out the canal..you can actually see the water moving..amazing.
Why would people throw rubbish into a canal? Because they can... might as well ask why do people drink too much and throw up, why kids vandalise private property, why do people graffiti on blank walls...etc, etc.
I dont have a problem with improving the town centre (sorry Doug!) but it needs to be achievable, generate revenue and be what the tax payers actually want. Councillors should not be concerned with leaving a legacy behind.
The Builder - looking at the picture above I can t see where the road would be..wide enough for cycle path maybe?
Sainsburys is pretty closeby...
Have you been to Reading? Check out the canal..you can actually see the water moving..amazing.
Why would people throw rubbish into a canal? Because they can... might as well ask why do people drink too much and throw up, why kids vandalise private property, why do people graffiti on blank walls...etc, etc.
I dont have a problem with improving the town centre (sorry Doug!) but it needs to be achievable, generate revenue and be what the tax payers actually want. Councillors should not be concerned with leaving a legacy behind.
Posted by: malkym on 12:22pm Thu 27 Mar 08
Big Mac And Emmylou - please note the term to describe a native from Swindon has always widely accepted as being "Swin-do-ni-an" rather than Swindoner. This comes from the Latin "Donian" -meaning doughnut or simpleton and stems from the pre Brunel days when SwineDown later Swindon was a small village where the local wurzels grazed their herds of pigs on the nearby Marlborough Downs.
Doug - thanks for the correction re Ewan/Kirsty/Pogues etc
Big Mac And Emmylou - please note the term to describe a native from Swindon has always widely accepted as being "Swin-do-ni-an" rather than Swindoner. This comes from the Latin "Donian" -meaning doughnut or simpleton and stems from the pre Brunel days when SwineDown later Swindon was a small village where the local wurzels grazed their herds of pigs on the nearby Marlborough Downs.
Doug - thanks for the correction re Ewan/Kirsty/Pogues etc
Posted by: H, Up the Hill on 12:26pm Thu 27 Mar 08
I'd like to see the Advers random sampling strategy for doing this questionnaire. I would envisage a number of those asked were pushing pushchairs around the town centre rather than being at school; so it might not be representative of those who actually work. I'm of the opinion that anyone who contributes to council tax, income tax etc. has a right to an opinion.
Lets build the canal; it will make no difference to education, highways in Swindon; but will improve the quality of life for all of us who live in or near to the Town Centre!
I'd like to see the Advers random sampling strategy for doing this questionnaire. I would envisage a number of those asked were pushing pushchairs around the town centre rather than being at school; so it might not be representative of those who actually work. I'm of the opinion that anyone who contributes to council tax, income tax etc. has a right to an opinion.
Lets build the canal; it will make no difference to education, highways in Swindon; but will improve the quality of life for all of us who live in or near to the Town Centre!
Posted by: emmylou83, Stratton on 12:27pm Thu 27 Mar 08
malkym - you mistake me for someone who cares,
malkym - you mistake me for someone who cares,
Posted by: Voice of Reason, The Parks on 12:32pm Thu 27 Mar 08
And Malkym people who name call are usually known as Child-ish not to be mistaken with grown up and adults of which you are not..
And Malkym people who name call are usually known as Child-ish not to be mistaken with grown up and adults of which you are not..
Posted by: Captain Sensible, Near Swindon on 12:34pm Thu 27 Mar 08
I'm sure that if I had £50m to spend on a transport project for Swindon I could find something more constructive to spend the money on than a ditch full of dirty water. How about some dedicated bus routes for starters giving people a real alternative to travelling into town by car. I come in on the No7 from Highworth quite often, and the traffic for most of the day makes running the service to time pretty much impossible. Come on SBC lets have real projects not pie in the sky nonsense that will benefit nobody.
I'm sure that if I had £50m to spend on a transport project for Swindon I could find something more constructive to spend the money on than a ditch full of dirty water. How about some dedicated bus routes for starters giving people a real alternative to travelling into town by car. I come in on the No7 from Highworth quite often, and the traffic for most of the day makes running the service to time pretty much impossible. Come on SBC lets have real projects not pie in the sky nonsense that will benefit nobody.
Posted by: dc, swindon on 12:38pm Thu 27 Mar 08
CS - since when is this a transport project? Are we talking mass transport by canal, if so i have really missed the point here.
Roll up Roll up, come to Swindon, see the bus routes! Marvel at the bus centre!
CS - since when is this a transport project? Are we talking mass transport by canal, if so i have really missed the point here.
Roll up Roll up, come to Swindon, see the bus routes! Marvel at the bus centre!
Posted by: dc, swindon on 12:39pm Thu 27 Mar 08
CS - since when is this a transport project? Are we talking mass transport by canal, if so i have really missed the point here.
Roll up Roll up, come to Swindon, see the bus routes! Marvel at the bus centre!
CS - since when is this a transport project? Are we talking mass transport by canal, if so i have really missed the point here.
Roll up Roll up, come to Swindon, see the bus routes! Marvel at the bus centre!
Posted by: Captain Sensible, Near Swindon on 12:44pm Thu 27 Mar 08
Putting the canal in IS a transport project, narrow boats are a form of transport if you didn't know. As for the buses, I'm talking about rapid transit bus routes for guided vehicles, with the number of houses to be built around this town we need some proper transport infrastructure developing pretty quickly before the whole place is permenantly gridlocked.
Putting the canal in IS a transport project, narrow boats are a form of transport if you didn't know. As for the buses, I'm talking about rapid transit bus routes for guided vehicles, with the number of houses to be built around this town we need some proper transport infrastructure developing pretty quickly before the whole place is permenantly gridlocked.
Posted by: Voice of Reason, The Parks on 12:44pm Thu 27 Mar 08
I dont know about miss the bus C.S I think you have missed the point, this £50 million is only to be allocated for a canal, not bus lanes new buss routes or anything else please people read the article properly
I dont know about miss the bus C.S I think you have missed the point, this £50 million is only to be allocated for a canal, not bus lanes new buss routes or anything else please people read the article properly
Posted by: emmylou83, Stratton on 12:45pm Thu 27 Mar 08
I say forget the canal put in trams wooo great fun :P
yes yes yes I know the money os for a cnal only but I just wanted to throw a spanner in the works
I say forget the canal put in trams wooo great fun :P
yes yes yes I know the money os for a cnal only but I just wanted to throw a spanner in the works
Posted by: malkym on 12:47pm Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]emmylou83[/bold] wrote:
malkym - you mistake me for someone who cares,[/quote] Not at all - i also couldn't really give a monkeys what they're but I think you perhaps have missed the intended targets of my prose!
emmylou83 wrote:
malkym - you mistake me for someone who cares,
Not at all - i also couldn't really give a monkeys what they're but I think you perhaps have missed the intended targets of my prose!
Posted by: dc, swindon on 12:50pm Thu 27 Mar 08
CS - i know enough to know that canals always were predominatly a mode of transporting goods, not people.
CS - i know enough to know that canals always were predominatly a mode of transporting goods, not people.
Posted by: emmylou83, Stratton on 1:22pm Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]malkym[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]emmylou83[/bold] wrote: malkym - you mistake me for someone who cares,[/quote] Not at all - i also couldn't really give a monkeys what they're but I think you perhaps have missed the intended targets of my prose![/quote] Possibly but I am from Swindon therefore obviously stupid and slow
malkym wrote:
emmylou83 wrote: malkym - you mistake me for someone who cares,
Not at all - i also couldn't really give a monkeys what they're but I think you perhaps have missed the intended targets of my prose!
Possibly but I am from Swindon therefore obviously stupid and slow
Posted by: Al Smith, Swindon, UK on 1:44pm Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Polymath[/bold] wrote:
Of course, the results are based on a previous poll on this website. Anyone in the world could vote, and if they cleared their browser cookies they could vote more than once. Not exactly representative or particularly good data. Not even data worthy of being published either.[/quote] What bit of "This is the result of a poll by the Adver. We asked 1,000 people in the town centre if they were in favour of the £52m project." didn't you understand?
Polymath wrote:
Of course, the results are based on a previous poll on this website. Anyone in the world could vote, and if they cleared their browser cookies they could vote more than once. Not exactly representative or particularly good data. Not even data worthy of being published either.
What bit of "This is the result of a poll by the Adver. We asked 1,000 people in the town centre if they were in favour of the £52m project." didn't you understand?
Posted by: malkym on 1:58pm Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]emmylou83[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]malkym[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]emmylou83[/bold] wrote: malkym - you mistake me for someone who cares,[/quote] Not at all - i also couldn't really give a monkeys what they're but I think you perhaps have missed the intended targets of my prose![/quote] Possibly but I am from Swindon therefore obviously stupid and slow [/quote] Ah well we all have a cross to bear - seems like VoR is a native too! Interesting you were in York recently - isn't it amazing how far you can travel on a giro these days!
emmylou83 wrote:
malkym wrote: emmylou83 wrote: malkym - you mistake me for someone who cares,
Not at all - i also couldn't really give a monkeys what they're but I think you perhaps have missed the intended targets of my prose!
Possibly but I am from Swindon therefore obviously stupid and slow
Ah well we all have a cross to bear - seems like VoR is a native too! Interesting you were in York recently - isn't it amazing how far you can travel on a giro these days!
Posted by: LordBelacqua, Swindon on 2:00pm Thu 27 Mar 08
You really are an obnoxious little man aren't you?
You really are an obnoxious little man aren't you?
Posted by: doug@homefarm, SN1 on 2:00pm Thu 27 Mar 08
Isn't the bit at Reading part of the Thames hence the 'fast flowing'. Canals by their nature are are 'still' having been man made requiring ponds and rivers to 'top them up'. However as I asked earlier, will it go anywhere, will it come from any where? if it is to be a very long ditch, again whats the point?
Isn't the bit at Reading part of the Thames hence the 'fast flowing'. Canals by their nature are are 'still' having been man made requiring ponds and rivers to 'top them up'. However as I asked earlier, will it go anywhere, will it come from any where? if it is to be a very long ditch, again whats the point?
Posted by: emmylou83, Stratton on 2:13pm Thu 27 Mar 08
VoR is from manchester LOL and I wish I could be one of those that sits on my butt all day doing nothing but collecting my giro but alas I actually work for a living, so managed to affored to go visit my sick grandfather for what could be the last time all on my own
VoR is from manchester LOL and I wish I could be one of those that sits on my butt all day doing nothing but collecting my giro but alas I actually work for a living, so managed to affored to go visit my sick grandfather for what could be the last time all on my own
Posted by: malkym on 2:28pm Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]LordBelacqua[/bold] wrote:
You really are an obnoxious little man aren't you?[/quote] Moi? Porquoi?
LordBelacqua wrote:
You really are an obnoxious little man aren't you?
Moi? Porquoi?
Posted by: Sara, Oxfordshire on 3:01pm Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Big Mac[/bold] wrote:
daddyjimo2, some people seem to think that it's Council Tax money that'll be used to fund the canal.
In reality, it's money blackmailed (legally, of course) out of developers under the now ubiquitous Section 106, which allows Councils to extort "contributions from developers towards the costs of providing community and social infrastructure, the need for which has arisen as a result of a new development taking place."
Of course, in reality this means that the new owners of the developer's properties pay the vast majority of the Section 106 'contributions', while the Council rake in additional money for nothing on top of the increased Council Tax they'll receive from the new developments (how ironic that some 106 premiums may push new properties into higher Council Tax bands...)
So, this isn't money that can be diverted to schools, hospitals, roads etc. that are out of the imemdiate area where the new developments are taking place. Hence this windfall has to be spent in the town centre, or thereabouts, ie, it couldn't be used to improve Coate Water unless a new development with the appropriate Section 106 was agreed near Coate Water.
[/quote] Actually just for info, it's not the new owners that pay it is the original landowner who receives less for the land to pay for the section 106 stuff.
Whether it is a good idea or not, it is clearly not true that it will cost us nothing. The opportunity cost is what needs to be examined to see what else we could get for the money.
Big Mac wrote:
daddyjimo2, some people seem to think that it's Council Tax money that'll be used to fund the canal.
In reality, it's money blackmailed (legally, of course) out of developers under the now ubiquitous Section 106, which allows Councils to extort "contributions from developers towards the costs of providing community and social infrastructure, the need for which has arisen as a result of a new development taking place."
Of course, in reality this means that the new owners of the developer's properties pay the vast majority of the Section 106 'contributions', while the Council rake in additional money for nothing on top of the increased Council Tax they'll receive from the new developments (how ironic that some 106 premiums may push new properties into higher Council Tax bands...)
So, this isn't money that can be diverted to schools, hospitals, roads etc. that are out of the imemdiate area where the new developments are taking place. Hence this windfall has to be spent in the town centre, or thereabouts, ie, it couldn't be used to improve Coate Water unless a new development with the appropriate Section 106 was agreed near Coate Water.
Actually just for info, it's not the new owners that pay it is the original landowner who receives less for the land to pay for the section 106 stuff.
Whether it is a good idea or not, it is clearly not true that it will cost us nothing. The opportunity cost is what needs to be examined to see what else we could get for the money.
Posted by: Terence, Swindon on 3:04pm Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Al Smith[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Polymath[/bold] wrote:
Of course, the results are based on a previous poll on this website. Anyone in the world could vote, and if they cleared their browser cookies they could vote more than once. Not exactly representative or particularly good data. Not even data worthy of being published either.[/quote] What bit of "This is the result of a poll by the Adver. We asked 1,000 people in the town centre if they were in favour of the £52m project." didn't you understand?
[/quote] Polymath is an unsuitable name, may I suggest Polyprat?
Al Smith wrote:
Polymath wrote:
Of course, the results are based on a previous poll on this website. Anyone in the world could vote, and if they cleared their browser cookies they could vote more than once. Not exactly representative or particularly good data. Not even data worthy of being published either.
What bit of "This is the result of a poll by the Adver. We asked 1,000 people in the town centre if they were in favour of the £52m project." didn't you understand?
Polymath is an unsuitable name, may I suggest Polyprat?
Posted by: emmylou83, Stratton on 3:05pm Thu 27 Mar 08
Sara - the money is only for the canal if we don't have a canal then we cant spend the money elsewhere
Sara - the money is only for the canal if we don't have a canal then we cant spend the money elsewhere
Posted by: Voice of Reason, The Parks on 3:18pm Thu 27 Mar 08
Malkym sorry to dissapoint ya I am visitor born and raised in the North not from Swindon. Just did not see the point of your childish comment it had nothing to do with canals...?
Malkym sorry to dissapoint ya I am visitor born and raised in the North not from Swindon. Just did not see the point of your childish comment it had nothing to do with canals...?
Posted by: Grumpy, Swindon on 3:49pm Thu 27 Mar 08
I would love to see a canal running through Swindon along with a modern rapid transit tram system. I would also like to see better shopping, sporting venues, more parks, a proper ring road etc etc. The problem is I have no faith what-so-ever in Swindon Council. Time and time again they have proved themselves to be totally inept at anything requiring imagination and good planning. Any attempt to build a decent canal and the associated 'cafe' culture that would enhance it is likely to end up looking like a dog's dinner if this council has a hand in it - their appalling record over the years speaks for itself.
I would love to see a canal running through Swindon along with a modern rapid transit tram system. I would also like to see better shopping, sporting venues, more parks, a proper ring road etc etc. The problem is I have no faith what-so-ever in Swindon Council. Time and time again they have proved themselves to be totally inept at anything requiring imagination and good planning. Any attempt to build a decent canal and the associated 'cafe' culture that would enhance it is likely to end up looking like a dog's dinner if this council has a hand in it - their appalling record over the years speaks for itself.
Posted by: malkym on 4:12pm Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote:
Malkym sorry to dissapoint ya I am visitor born and raised in the North not from Swindon. Just did not see the point of your childish comment it had nothing to do with canals...?[/quote] Then we are both lucky eh VoR to escape being born as Moonrakers(local legend you may or may not be familiar with- just thought I'd deviate from the topic - wind the locals up a bit - seems i succeeded eh? Add a bit of spice -to get back on track I think a canal would be great and had the old one still been there - sure revamp the area and go for it - unfortunately it isn't and valid questions have been asked re traffic re-routing and how to avoid mindless vandalism so regrettably its probably a non starter I'd say.
Voice of Reason wrote:
Malkym sorry to dissapoint ya I am visitor born and raised in the North not from Swindon. Just did not see the point of your childish comment it had nothing to do with canals...?
Then we are both lucky eh VoR to escape being born as Moonrakers(local legend you may or may not be familiar with- just thought I'd deviate from the topic - wind the locals up a bit - seems i succeeded eh? Add a bit of spice -to get back on track I think a canal would be great and had the old one still been there - sure revamp the area and go for it - unfortunately it isn't and valid questions have been asked re traffic re-routing and how to avoid mindless vandalism so regrettably its probably a non starter I'd say.
Posted by: emmylou83, Stratton on 4:18pm Thu 27 Mar 08
So your sole aim was to wind me up - how old are you 12???? Unlike most of people who were born in Swindon (technically I was born in wroughton) I did leave for a number of yrs and unfortunately wasn't my choice to return as I was 5 the first time we came back and 7 the last time.
I agree though the canal will be a non starter
So your sole aim was to wind me up - how old are you 12???? Unlike most of people who were born in Swindon (technically I was born in wroughton) I did leave for a number of yrs and unfortunately wasn't my choice to return as I was 5 the first time we came back and 7 the last time.
I agree though the canal will be a non starter
Posted by: steve-o, Swindon on 4:18pm Thu 27 Mar 08
Def non starter,thought town wasbeing re vamped.Flatten half town centre ,board it up. Oh yeh put a 42" plasma on car park wow!!Finish the bleeding job would be nice
Def non starter,thought town wasbeing re vamped.Flatten half town centre ,board it up. Oh yeh put a 42" plasma on car park wow!!Finish the bleeding job would be nice
Posted by: malkym on 4:35pm Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]emmylou83[/bold] wrote:
So your sole aim was to wind me up - how old are you 12???? Unlike most of people who were born in Swindon (technically I was born in wroughton) I did leave for a number of yrs and unfortunately wasn't my choice to return as I was 5 the first time we came back and 7 the last time. I agree though the canal will be a non starter[/quote] Not at all dont be so sensitive - blimey your folks are gluttons for punishment coming back twice!!
emmylou83 wrote:
So your sole aim was to wind me up - how old are you 12???? Unlike most of people who were born in Swindon (technically I was born in wroughton) I did leave for a number of yrs and unfortunately wasn't my choice to return as I was 5 the first time we came back and 7 the last time. I agree though the canal will be a non starter
Not at all dont be so sensitive - blimey your folks are gluttons for punishment coming back twice!!
Posted by: emmylou83, Stratton on 4:38pm Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote]Not at all dont be so sensitive - blimey your folks are gluttons for punishment coming back twice!![/quote]
Sorry bit of a pants day at work.
Well 2nd time wasn't as bad we moved out of toothill to a good bit of stratton
Not at all dont be so sensitive - blimey your folks are gluttons for punishment coming back twice!!
Sorry bit of a pants day at work.
Well 2nd time wasn't as bad we moved out of toothill to a good bit of stratton
Posted by: Voice of Reason, The Parks on 4:44pm Thu 27 Mar 08
But Malkym where are you from come where were you born....?
But Malkym where are you from come where were you born....?
Posted by: steve-o, Swindon on 4:49pm Thu 27 Mar 08
Nice canal where i come from, they call it the Thames
Nice canal where i come from, they call it the Thames
Posted by: Robin Harris, Swindon on 4:53pm Thu 27 Mar 08
Nearly a third of people are smokers but they don't allow that. So how comes the supporters of the canal are in the minority but think the rest should suffer it?
Nearly a third of people are smokers but they don't allow that. So how comes the supporters of the canal are in the minority but think the rest should suffer it?
Posted by: malkym on 4:53pm Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]emmylou83[/bold] wrote:
[quote]Not at all dont be so sensitive - blimey your folks are gluttons for punishment coming back twice!![/quote] Sorry bit of a pants day at work. Well 2nd time wasn't as bad we moved out of toothill to a good bit of stratton [/quote] ah good thinking! boothill to Stratton good move! -see now the toothillers will start on me lol!
Vor I be born in Winchester so I be a Hampshire lad! though like EmLou I've been in these yer parts most of me days!
emmylou83 wrote:
Not at all dont be so sensitive - blimey your folks are gluttons for punishment coming back twice!!
Sorry bit of a pants day at work. Well 2nd time wasn't as bad we moved out of toothill to a good bit of stratton
ah good thinking! boothill to Stratton good move! -see now the toothillers will start on me lol!
Vor I be born in Winchester so I be a Hampshire lad! though like EmLou I've been in these yer parts most of me days!
Posted by: emmylou83, Stratton on 4:58pm Thu 27 Mar 08
yeah best move we ever made, In fact Swindon only ones we had a choice in, Dad was in the RAF so had to go where we were told.
ooooh winchester isn't that like all posh and stuff or am I thinking of somewhere else??
Robin - you make a really good point basically what it means is that the coiuncil want it therefore its going to happen whether we want it to or not
yeah best move we ever made, In fact Swindon only ones we had a choice in, Dad was in the RAF so had to go where we were told.
ooooh winchester isn't that like all posh and stuff or am I thinking of somewhere else??
Robin - you make a really good point basically what it means is that the coiuncil want it therefore its going to happen whether we want it to or not
Posted by: Voice of Reason, The Parks on 4:59pm Thu 27 Mar 08
Fair enough, hey look its Robin I talk sh1t Harris what was it you saud the other week a prostitute cannot get raped I believe it was. Well looks like you got it well wrong as the guy got sent down for it thats what you get for having a stupid opinion..?
Fair enough, hey look its Robin I talk sh1t Harris what was it you saud the other week a prostitute cannot get raped I believe it was. Well looks like you got it well wrong as the guy got sent down for it thats what you get for having a stupid opinion..?
Posted by: steve-o, Swindon on 5:00pm Thu 27 Mar 08
now, now russ, true he does speak it ??
now, now russ, true he does speak it ??
Posted by: emmylou83, Stratton on 5:01pm Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote:
Fair enough, hey look its Robin I talk sh1t Harris what was it you saud the other week a prostitute cannot get raped I believe it was. Well looks like you got it well wrong as the guy got sent down for it thats what you get for having a stupid opinion..?[/quote] BE NICE!!!!
Voice of Reason wrote:
Fair enough, hey look its Robin I talk sh1t Harris what was it you saud the other week a prostitute cannot get raped I believe it was. Well looks like you got it well wrong as the guy got sent down for it thats what you get for having a stupid opinion..?
BE NICE!!!!
Posted by: Voice of Reason, The Parks on 5:03pm Thu 27 Mar 08
That is me geing nice lol I have never heard such poo though it really wound me up saying that though. Oh well home time....x
That is me geing nice lol I have never heard such poo though it really wound me up saying that though. Oh well home time....x
Posted by: emmylou83, Stratton on 5:10pm Thu 27 Mar 08
Yeah rub it in I'm working till 5.30 tonight :( god im going to be unbearable on my 9-8.30 shifts.
He makes a good point on this one though
Yeah rub it in I'm working till 5.30 tonight :( god im going to be unbearable on my 9-8.30 shifts.
He makes a good point on this one though
Posted by: ScentCybil, Swindon on 5:31pm Thu 27 Mar 08
For goodness sake! This is Swindon! A canal would be constantly vandalised, drunks would fall in it, and it would become a shopping trolley park. If a third of the Advertiser Town Centre sample are not yet aware of this, then it is probable they have not lived here very long.
For goodness sake! This is Swindon! A canal would be constantly vandalised, drunks would fall in it, and it would become a shopping trolley park. If a third of the Advertiser Town Centre sample are not yet aware of this, then it is probable they have not lived here very long.
Posted by: Papillon, Swindon on 5:32pm Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]emmylou83[/bold] wrote:
Yeah rub it in I'm working till 5.30 tonight :( god im going to be unbearable on my 9-8.30 shifts. He makes a good point on this one though[/quote] Do you think so? I have to say, I read his comment several times and for the life of me couldn't come up with your interpretation. I think you are being overkind.
Looking at these posts most people on here at least seem to be in favour of the canal in principle, but have doubts as to:
1. SBCs ability to achieve it.
2. Whether the local chavs can be dissuaded from dropping litter in it.
3. Whether or not it will have an adverse affect on the traffic going into the town centre.
Answer those questions, and it should be a no brainer. Easy! :-)
As for the advers poll, they can be very selective with what opinions are recorded as we all know.
emmylou83 wrote:
Yeah rub it in I'm working till 5.30 tonight :( god im going to be unbearable on my 9-8.30 shifts. He makes a good point on this one though
Do you think so? I have to say, I read his comment several times and for the life of me couldn't come up with your interpretation. I think you are being overkind.
Looking at these posts most people on here at least seem to be in favour of the canal in principle, but have doubts as to:
1. SBCs ability to achieve it.
2. Whether the local chavs can be dissuaded from dropping litter in it.
3. Whether or not it will have an adverse affect on the traffic going into the town centre.
Answer those questions, and it should be a no brainer. Easy! :-)
As for the advers poll, they can be very selective with what opinions are recorded as we all know.
Posted by: Papillon, Swindon on 5:37pm Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]ScentCybil[/bold] wrote:
For goodness sake! This is Swindon! A canal would be constantly vandalised, drunks would fall in it, and it would become a shopping trolley park. If a third of the Advertiser Town Centre sample are not yet aware of this, then it is probable they have not lived here very long.[/quote] Canals do not cause this, it is people who do. I believe the budget plan included maintenance and policing to an extent. Once a few of the culprits have been given hefty fines I'm sure the message will get across.
Frankly if you object to making an area better because you fear a certain element will spoil it, then you will never have anything worthwhile.
Surely it's up to the people who aren't vandals to help the authorities to stamp out the problem!
ScentCybil wrote:
For goodness sake! This is Swindon! A canal would be constantly vandalised, drunks would fall in it, and it would become a shopping trolley park. If a third of the Advertiser Town Centre sample are not yet aware of this, then it is probable they have not lived here very long.
Canals do not cause this, it is people who do. I believe the budget plan included maintenance and policing to an extent. Once a few of the culprits have been given hefty fines I'm sure the message will get across.
Frankly if you object to making an area better because you fear a certain element will spoil it, then you will never have anything worthwhile.
Surely it's up to the people who aren't vandals to help the authorities to stamp out the problem!
Posted by: ScentCybil, Swindon on 5:50pm Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Papillon[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]ScentCybil[/bold] wrote: For goodness sake! This is Swindon! A canal would be constantly vandalised, drunks would fall in it, and it would become a shopping trolley park. If a third of the Advertiser Town Centre sample are not yet aware of this, then it is probable they have not lived here very long.[/quote] Canals do not cause this, it is people who do. I believe the budget plan included maintenance and policing to an extent. Once a few of the culprits have been given hefty fines I'm sure the message will get across. Frankly if you object to making an area better because you fear a certain element will spoil it, then you will never have anything worthwhile. Surely it's up to the people who aren't vandals to help the authorities to stamp out the problem![/quote] Papillon.
It is STILL Swindon! Take a look at Lidiard Park. Millions of lottery money spent. Break ins to the cafe almost weekly, Two skips of litter removed every week, windows to the house routinely smashed, Broken glass and condoms in the new play area, etc etc.
Blunketts Bobbies are not going to jump in a canal to rescue twerps, if any get to court for graffiti or vandalism they will be let off with a caution. As for helping to stamp out vandalism, you risk being knifed or kicked to death by feral yobs. This is not Cheltenham, Winchester or Guildford.
Papillon wrote:
ScentCybil wrote: For goodness sake! This is Swindon! A canal would be constantly vandalised, drunks would fall in it, and it would become a shopping trolley park. If a third of the Advertiser Town Centre sample are not yet aware of this, then it is probable they have not lived here very long.
Canals do not cause this, it is people who do. I believe the budget plan included maintenance and policing to an extent. Once a few of the culprits have been given hefty fines I'm sure the message will get across. Frankly if you object to making an area better because you fear a certain element will spoil it, then you will never have anything worthwhile. Surely it's up to the people who aren't vandals to help the authorities to stamp out the problem!
Papillon.
It is STILL Swindon! Take a look at Lidiard Park. Millions of lottery money spent. Break ins to the cafe almost weekly, Two skips of litter removed every week, windows to the house routinely smashed, Broken glass and condoms in the new play area, etc etc.
Blunketts Bobbies are not going to jump in a canal to rescue twerps, if any get to court for graffiti or vandalism they will be let off with a caution. As for helping to stamp out vandalism, you risk being knifed or kicked to death by feral yobs. This is not Cheltenham, Winchester or Guildford.
Posted by: Concerned, Swindon on 6:21pm Thu 27 Mar 08
I would be very interested to know the areas of residence of the people that the adver asked! I live in town on the proposed route (so will be greatly affected), I work in town (full time) and I shop in town and I have not been approached about my opinion nor have many of my neighbours. Just so my thoughts are now voiced I am very happy to support this and will canvass positively for whoever wants the help. Before you go condemning this, go visit the shop in Regent Street, it is very informative and they will fill you in with costing and why the old canal will not be an option. This can only be a good thing for t
